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In the (many) years I've been playing the piano (generally upright only), I've never felt the need to use the left pedal. From what I gather, the left pedal on an upright places the hammers closer to the strings, reducing the velocity of the hammer as it strikes the strings.
However, I (like to) think that I manage the dynamics of a piece perfectly well with just varying the attack of the keys - up to the softest of pianissimo (with the added advantage that I can vary each key individually). Is there any effect on an upright piano that cannot (easily) be achieved without use of the left pedal?
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In the (many) years I've been playing the piano (generally upright only), I've never felt the need to use the left pedal. From what I gather, the left pedal on an upright places the hammers closer to the strings, reducing the velocity of the hammer as it strikes the strings.
However, I (like to) think that I manage the dynamics of a piece perfectly well with just varying the attack of the keys - up to the softest of pianissimo (with the added advantage that I can vary each key individually). Is there any effect on an upright piano that cannot (easily) be achieved without use of the left pedal?
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I use the left pedal almost always. Otherwise my wife would have quitt me long ago or thrown me out!
– Albrecht Hügli
1 hour ago
You should try it! See if you, and a discreet audience, can tell the difference on the particular piano in use.
– Carl Witthoft
23 mins ago
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In the (many) years I've been playing the piano (generally upright only), I've never felt the need to use the left pedal. From what I gather, the left pedal on an upright places the hammers closer to the strings, reducing the velocity of the hammer as it strikes the strings.
However, I (like to) think that I manage the dynamics of a piece perfectly well with just varying the attack of the keys - up to the softest of pianissimo (with the added advantage that I can vary each key individually). Is there any effect on an upright piano that cannot (easily) be achieved without use of the left pedal?
piano keyboard-pedals
asked 3 hours ago
SanchisesSanchises
302210
In the (many) years I've been playing the piano (generally upright only), I've never felt the need to use the left pedal. From what I gather, the left pedal on an upright places the hammers closer to the strings, reducing the velocity of the hammer as it strikes the strings.
However, I (like to) think that I manage the dynamics of a piece perfectly well with just varying the attack of the keys - up to the softest of pianissimo (with the added advantage that I can vary each key individually). Is there any effect on an upright piano that cannot (easily) be achieved without use of the left pedal?
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I use the left pedal almost always. Otherwise my wife would have quitt me long ago or thrown me out!
– Albrecht Hügli
1 hour ago
You should try it! See if you, and a discreet audience, can tell the difference on the particular piano in use.
– Carl Witthoft
23 mins ago
add a comment |
I use the left pedal almost always. Otherwise my wife would have quitt me long ago or thrown me out!
– Albrecht Hügli
1 hour ago
You should try it! See if you, and a discreet audience, can tell the difference on the particular piano in use.
– Carl Witthoft
23 mins ago
I use the left pedal almost always. Otherwise my wife would have quitt me long ago or thrown me out!
– Albrecht Hügli
1 hour ago
I use the left pedal almost always. Otherwise my wife would have quitt me long ago or thrown me out!
– Albrecht Hügli
1 hour ago
You should try it! See if you, and a discreet audience, can tell the difference on the particular piano in use.
– Carl Witthoft
23 mins ago
You should try it! See if you, and a discreet audience, can tell the difference on the particular piano in use.
– Carl Witthoft
23 mins ago
add a comment |
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It makes more difference on a grand, where the 'soft' pedal moves across to hit fewer strings, and other strings with softer felt on the hammer. A 'more ethereal sound'.
But your question concerns uprights, where what happens is the hammers are brought closer to the strings, so don't have the same terminal velocity available as when the pedal is untouched. This means that in ppp passages (that's not a typing stutter!), notes can be played more quietly with than without. Problem with trying to play very quietly is that occasionally, we don't press the key quite hard enough - result - no sound.
answered 3 hours ago
TimTim
102k10105259
Interesting - are there no uprights which apply a shift? Is this an engineering compromise or merely a cost-savings approach?
– Carl Witthoft
24 mins ago
@CarlWitthoft - not sure, will research. But by and large, uprights are built for the lower cost end of the market - ever seen a concerto played on one? And it's a darned sight easier to move the whole action forward than sideways,So, probably a bit of both, I guess.
– Tim
20 mins ago
add a comment |
Sometimes when accompanying an unamplified singer I put my foot on the soft pedal and leave it there. This allows me to play with a little more verve without overwhelming the voice. In an ideal world I might reposition the piano, or drape it with something. But this isn't an ideal world...
answered 3 hours ago
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
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The left pedal is an integrated function of a piano. Fine if you can reach all the nuances of ppp and mp. I can‘t and there is no eager to me to achieve this without this help. So the answer to your question about existing effects is depending of the abilities of the pianist and his ideas and ideals.
answered 1 hour ago
Albrecht HügliAlbrecht Hügli
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It makes more difference on a grand, where the 'soft' pedal moves across to hit fewer strings, and other strings with softer felt on the hammer. A 'more ethereal sound'.
But your question concerns uprights, where what happens is the hammers are brought closer to the strings, so don't have the same terminal velocity available as when the pedal is untouched. This means that in ppp passages (that's not a typing stutter!), notes can be played more quietly with than without. Problem with trying to play very quietly is that occasionally, we don't press the key quite hard enough - result - no sound.
answered 3 hours ago
TimTim
102k10105259
Interesting - are there no uprights which apply a shift? Is this an engineering compromise or merely a cost-savings approach?
– Carl Witthoft
24 mins ago
@CarlWitthoft - not sure, will research. But by and large, uprights are built for the lower cost end of the market - ever seen a concerto played on one? And it's a darned sight easier to move the whole action forward than sideways,So, probably a bit of both, I guess.
– Tim
20 mins ago
add a comment |
It makes more difference on a grand, where the 'soft' pedal moves across to hit fewer strings, and other strings with softer felt on the hammer. A 'more ethereal sound'.
But your question concerns uprights, where what happens is the hammers are brought closer to the strings, so don't have the same terminal velocity available as when the pedal is untouched. This means that in ppp passages (that's not a typing stutter!), notes can be played more quietly with than without. Problem with trying to play very quietly is that occasionally, we don't press the key quite hard enough - result - no sound.
answered 3 hours ago
TimTim
102k10105259
Interesting - are there no uprights which apply a shift? Is this an engineering compromise or merely a cost-savings approach?
– Carl Witthoft
24 mins ago
@CarlWitthoft - not sure, will research. But by and large, uprights are built for the lower cost end of the market - ever seen a concerto played on one? And it's a darned sight easier to move the whole action forward than sideways,So, probably a bit of both, I guess.
– Tim
20 mins ago
add a comment |
It makes more difference on a grand, where the 'soft' pedal moves across to hit fewer strings, and other strings with softer felt on the hammer. A 'more ethereal sound'.
But your question concerns uprights, where what happens is the hammers are brought closer to the strings, so don't have the same terminal velocity available as when the pedal is untouched. This means that in ppp passages (that's not a typing stutter!), notes can be played more quietly with than without. Problem with trying to play very quietly is that occasionally, we don't press the key quite hard enough - result - no sound.
answered 3 hours ago
TimTim
102k10105259
It makes more difference on a grand, where the 'soft' pedal moves across to hit fewer strings, and other strings with softer felt on the hammer. A 'more ethereal sound'.
But your question concerns uprights, where what happens is the hammers are brought closer to the strings, so don't have the same terminal velocity available as when the pedal is untouched. This means that in ppp passages (that's not a typing stutter!), notes can be played more quietly with than without. Problem with trying to play very quietly is that occasionally, we don't press the key quite hard enough - result - no sound.
answered 3 hours ago
TimTim
102k10105259
answered 3 hours ago
TimTim
102k10105259
answered 3 hours ago
TimTim
102k10105259
answered 3 hours ago
TimTim
102k10105259
102k10105259
Interesting - are there no uprights which apply a shift? Is this an engineering compromise or merely a cost-savings approach?
– Carl Witthoft
24 mins ago
@CarlWitthoft - not sure, will research. But by and large, uprights are built for the lower cost end of the market - ever seen a concerto played on one? And it's a darned sight easier to move the whole action forward than sideways,So, probably a bit of both, I guess.
– Tim
20 mins ago
add a comment |
Interesting - are there no uprights which apply a shift? Is this an engineering compromise or merely a cost-savings approach?
– Carl Witthoft
24 mins ago
@CarlWitthoft - not sure, will research. But by and large, uprights are built for the lower cost end of the market - ever seen a concerto played on one? And it's a darned sight easier to move the whole action forward than sideways,So, probably a bit of both, I guess.
– Tim
20 mins ago
Interesting - are there no uprights which apply a shift? Is this an engineering compromise or merely a cost-savings approach?
– Carl Witthoft
24 mins ago
Interesting - are there no uprights which apply a shift? Is this an engineering compromise or merely a cost-savings approach?
– Carl Witthoft
24 mins ago
@CarlWitthoft - not sure, will research. But by and large, uprights are built for the lower cost end of the market - ever seen a concerto played on one? And it's a darned sight easier to move the whole action forward than sideways,So, probably a bit of both, I guess.
– Tim
20 mins ago
@CarlWitthoft - not sure, will research. But by and large, uprights are built for the lower cost end of the market - ever seen a concerto played on one? And it's a darned sight easier to move the whole action forward than sideways,So, probably a bit of both, I guess.
– Tim
20 mins ago
add a comment |
Sometimes when accompanying an unamplified singer I put my foot on the soft pedal and leave it there. This allows me to play with a little more verve without overwhelming the voice. In an ideal world I might reposition the piano, or drape it with something. But this isn't an ideal world...
answered 3 hours ago
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
35.4k1669
add a comment |
Sometimes when accompanying an unamplified singer I put my foot on the soft pedal and leave it there. This allows me to play with a little more verve without overwhelming the voice. In an ideal world I might reposition the piano, or drape it with something. But this isn't an ideal world...
answered 3 hours ago
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
35.4k1669
add a comment |
Sometimes when accompanying an unamplified singer I put my foot on the soft pedal and leave it there. This allows me to play with a little more verve without overwhelming the voice. In an ideal world I might reposition the piano, or drape it with something. But this isn't an ideal world...
answered 3 hours ago
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
35.4k1669
Sometimes when accompanying an unamplified singer I put my foot on the soft pedal and leave it there. This allows me to play with a little more verve without overwhelming the voice. In an ideal world I might reposition the piano, or drape it with something. But this isn't an ideal world...
answered 3 hours ago
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
35.4k1669
answered 3 hours ago
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
35.4k1669
answered 3 hours ago
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
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answered 3 hours ago
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
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35.4k1669
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The left pedal is an integrated function of a piano. Fine if you can reach all the nuances of ppp and mp. I can‘t and there is no eager to me to achieve this without this help. So the answer to your question about existing effects is depending of the abilities of the pianist and his ideas and ideals.
answered 1 hour ago
Albrecht HügliAlbrecht Hügli
2,744220
add a comment |
The left pedal is an integrated function of a piano. Fine if you can reach all the nuances of ppp and mp. I can‘t and there is no eager to me to achieve this without this help. So the answer to your question about existing effects is depending of the abilities of the pianist and his ideas and ideals.
answered 1 hour ago
Albrecht HügliAlbrecht Hügli
2,744220
add a comment |
The left pedal is an integrated function of a piano. Fine if you can reach all the nuances of ppp and mp. I can‘t and there is no eager to me to achieve this without this help. So the answer to your question about existing effects is depending of the abilities of the pianist and his ideas and ideals.
answered 1 hour ago
Albrecht HügliAlbrecht Hügli
2,744220
The left pedal is an integrated function of a piano. Fine if you can reach all the nuances of ppp and mp. I can‘t and there is no eager to me to achieve this without this help. So the answer to your question about existing effects is depending of the abilities of the pianist and his ideas and ideals.
answered 1 hour ago
Albrecht HügliAlbrecht Hügli
2,744220
answered 1 hour ago
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2,744220
answered 1 hour ago
Albrecht HügliAlbrecht Hügli
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I use the left pedal almost always. Otherwise my wife would have quitt me long ago or thrown me out!
– Albrecht Hügli
1 hour ago
You should try it! See if you, and a discreet audience, can tell the difference on the particular piano in use.
– Carl Witthoft
23 mins ago