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Is there a math equivalent to the conditional ternary operator?
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Is there a math equivalent of the programming ternary operator?
a = b + (c > 0 ? 1 : 2)
The above means that if $c$ is greater than $0$ then $a = b + 1$, otherwise $a = b + 2$.
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Is there a math equivalent of the programming ternary operator?
a = b + (c > 0 ? 1 : 2)
The above means that if $c$ is greater than $0$ then $a = b + 1$, otherwise $a = b + 2$.
computer-science
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It probably depends on the form of the conditions and the results, but the example you gave can be expressed with the unit step $u(x)$ (with an appropriate definition at $x=1$): $a = u(b+c) + 1$
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– Alex
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@Alex $a = b + 2 - u(c)$
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– eyeballfrog
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A better question here is: what is good notation in this case. There are many ways of writing this, many ways which one would almost never use (like the accepted answer).
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– Winther
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In C-derived languages at least, you have made a grievous error! Your expression parses asa = (b + c) > 0 ? 1 : 2. I always use parentheses in these cases, even when they are not strictly necessary.
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– TonyK
5 hours ago
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Just to clarify, by “ternary operator” you really mean “conditional operator”? Or are interested in any kind of ternary operator, regardless of semantics?
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Is there a math equivalent of the programming ternary operator?
a = b + (c > 0 ? 1 : 2)
The above means that if $c$ is greater than $0$ then $a = b + 1$, otherwise $a = b + 2$.
computer-science
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Is there a math equivalent of the programming ternary operator?
a = b + (c > 0 ? 1 : 2)
The above means that if $c$ is greater than $0$ then $a = b + 1$, otherwise $a = b + 2$.
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It probably depends on the form of the conditions and the results, but the example you gave can be expressed with the unit step $u(x)$ (with an appropriate definition at $x=1$): $a = u(b+c) + 1$
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– Alex
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@Alex $a = b + 2 - u(c)$
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– eyeballfrog
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A better question here is: what is good notation in this case. There are many ways of writing this, many ways which one would almost never use (like the accepted answer).
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– Winther
8 hours ago
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In C-derived languages at least, you have made a grievous error! Your expression parses asa = (b + c) > 0 ? 1 : 2. I always use parentheses in these cases, even when they are not strictly necessary.
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– TonyK
5 hours ago
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Just to clarify, by “ternary operator” you really mean “conditional operator”? Or are interested in any kind of ternary operator, regardless of semantics?
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It probably depends on the form of the conditions and the results, but the example you gave can be expressed with the unit step $u(x)$ (with an appropriate definition at $x=1$): $a = u(b+c) + 1$
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– Alex
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@Alex $a = b + 2 - u(c)$
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– eyeballfrog
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A better question here is: what is good notation in this case. There are many ways of writing this, many ways which one would almost never use (like the accepted answer).
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– Winther
8 hours ago
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In C-derived languages at least, you have made a grievous error! Your expression parses asa = (b + c) > 0 ? 1 : 2. I always use parentheses in these cases, even when they are not strictly necessary.
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– TonyK
5 hours ago
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Just to clarify, by “ternary operator” you really mean “conditional operator”? Or are interested in any kind of ternary operator, regardless of semantics?
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
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It probably depends on the form of the conditions and the results, but the example you gave can be expressed with the unit step $u(x)$ (with an appropriate definition at $x=1$): $a = u(b+c) + 1$
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– Alex
11 hours ago
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It probably depends on the form of the conditions and the results, but the example you gave can be expressed with the unit step $u(x)$ (with an appropriate definition at $x=1$): $a = u(b+c) + 1$
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– Alex
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@Alex $a = b + 2 - u(c)$
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– eyeballfrog
11 hours ago
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@Alex $a = b + 2 - u(c)$
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– eyeballfrog
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A better question here is: what is good notation in this case. There are many ways of writing this, many ways which one would almost never use (like the accepted answer).
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– Winther
8 hours ago
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A better question here is: what is good notation in this case. There are many ways of writing this, many ways which one would almost never use (like the accepted answer).
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– Winther
8 hours ago
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In C-derived languages at least, you have made a grievous error! Your expression parses as
a = (b + c) > 0 ? 1 : 2. I always use parentheses in these cases, even when they are not strictly necessary.$endgroup$
– TonyK
5 hours ago
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In C-derived languages at least, you have made a grievous error! Your expression parses as
a = (b + c) > 0 ? 1 : 2. I always use parentheses in these cases, even when they are not strictly necessary.$endgroup$
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Just to clarify, by “ternary operator” you really mean “conditional operator”? Or are interested in any kind of ternary operator, regardless of semantics?
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
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Just to clarify, by “ternary operator” you really mean “conditional operator”? Or are interested in any kind of ternary operator, regardless of semantics?
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From physics, I'm used to seeing the Kronecker delta,$$
{delta}_{ij}
equiv
left{
begin{array}{lll}
1 &text{if} & i=j \
0 &text{else}
end{array}
right. _{,}
$$and I think people who work with it find the slightly generalized notation$$
{delta}_{left[text{condition}right]}
equiv
left{
begin{array}{lll}
1 &text{if} & left[text{condition}right] \
0 &text{else}
end{array}
right.
$$to be pretty natural to them.
So, I tend to use $delta_{left[text{condition}right]}$ for a lot of things. Just seems so simple and well-understood.
Transforms:
Basic Kronecker delta:
To write the basic Kronecker delta in terms of the generalized Kronecker delta, it's just$$
delta_{ij}
Rightarrow
delta_{i=j}
,.$$It's almost the same notation, and I think most folks can figure it out pretty easily without needing it explained.Conditional operator:
The "conditional operator" or "ternary operator" for the simple case of?1:0:$$
begin{array}{ccccc}
boxed{
begin{array}{l}
texttt{if}~left(texttt{condition}right) \
{ \
~~~~texttt{return 1;} \
} \
texttt{else} \
{ \
~~~~texttt{return 0;} \
}
end{array}
~} &
Rightarrow &
boxed{~
texttt{condition ? 1 : 0}
~} &
Rightarrow &
delta_{i=j}
end{array}
_{.}
$$Then if you want a non-zero value for thefalse-case, you'd just add another Kronecker delta, $delta_{operatorname{NOT}left(left[text{condition}right]right)} ,$ e.g. $delta_{i neq j} .$Indicator function:
@SiongThyeGoh's answer recommended using indicator function notation. I'd rewrite their example like$$
begin{array}{ccccc}
underbrace{a=b+1+mathbb{1}_{(-infty, 0]}(c)}
_{text{their example}}
&
Rightarrow &
underbrace{a=b+1+ delta_{c in left(-infty, 0right]}}
_{text{direct translation}} &
Rightarrow &
underbrace{a=b+1+ delta_{c , {small{leq}} , 0}}
_{text{cleaner form}}
end{array}
,.
$$Iverson bracket:
Iverson bracket notation, as suggested in @FredH's answer, is apparently the same thing; according to Wikipedia, it's meant as a generalization of the Kronecker delta, except they drop the $delta$ entirely, just putting the condition in square-brackets. In a context in readers expect it, Iverson bracket notation might be preferable if conditionals will be used a lot.
Note: "Conditional operator" rather than "ternary operator".
The conditional operator, condition ? trueValue : falseValue, has 3 arguments, making it an example of a ternary operator. By contrast, most other operators in programming tend to be unary operators (which have 1 argument) or binary operators (which have 2 arguments).
Since the conditional operator is fairly unique in being a ternary operator, it's often been called "the ternary operator", leading many to believe that that's its name. However, "conditional operator" is more specific and should generally be preferred.
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wow, this is beautiful. I need it for an infinite series (with some elements excluded i.e. multiplied by zero and others included, multiplied by 1) so this cleaner form is exactly what I need.
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– dataphile
2 hours ago
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@dataphile Yeah, the Kronecker delta's great for specifying elements like that; it comes in handy if you're using Sigma/Pi/Einstein notations. Worth noting that it's basically the integrated Dirac delta; if you're working in a continuous domain, then the Dirac delta tends to be preferred, though it's largely the same thing.
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– Nat
2 hours ago
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The Kronecker delta isn’t a ternary operator, it’s a plain old binary operator, since it has two operands.
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
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@KonradRudolph Yeah, gotta add a $delta_{operatorname{NOT}left(left[text{condition}right]right)}$-term to get thatfalse-case behavior in there when it's non-zero.
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– Nat
1 hour ago
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The $1$-if-condition-else-$0$ generalisation of the Kronecker delta is called the Iverson bracket. We can generalise to any two input values we like with a suitable function, of domain ${0,,1}$, wraping the Iverson bracket.
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– J.G.
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This is not a ternary operator, it is a function of two variables. There is one operation that results in $a$. You can certainly define a function
$$f(b,c)=begin {cases} b+1&c gt 0\
b+2 & c le 0 end {cases}$$
You can also define functions with any number of inputs you want, so you can define $f(a,b,c)=a(b+c^2)$, for example. This is a ternary function.
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Ternary operator in programming means a conditional statement of form "if A then x else y" and uually is written just as presented in the OP, i.e. A ? x : y. It would also literally be termary if the OP wouldn't have inserted the particular values of 1 and 2.
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@Džuris Ternary means "of arity 3", like binary means "of arity 2" and unary "of arity 1". The specific operator is the conditional ternary operator.
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Yes, that's what the word means. But the term ternary operator in programming is exactly THE conditional ternary operator. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%3F:)
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– Džuris
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Once again, clarity beats compactness when it comes to mathematics.
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– Asaf Karagila♦
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Well-chosen compact notations can contribute to clarity rather than detract from it, though.
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In Concrete Mathematics by Graham, Knuth and Patashnik, the authors use the "Iverson bracket" notation: Square brackets around a statement represent $1$ if the statement is true and $0$ otherwise. Using this notation, you could write
$$
a = b + 2 - [c gt 0].
$$
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aka en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iverson_bracket
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– qwr
10 hours ago
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@qwr Thank you! I did not recall the name.
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– FredH
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I would find it clearer to write $a = b + 1[c>0] + 2[cle0]$.
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– Rahul
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I personally find Iverson brackets less cluttered than indicator functions, so I definitely recommend this notation.
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Surely this is a unary operator, which works much like for example!in the C programming language: Input is an arbitrary expression, the result is either 0 or 1 depending on the expression.
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Using the indicator function notation:$$a=b+1+mathbb{1}_{(-infty, 0]}(c)$$
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Indicator is definitely the way to go, since the conditional can define an arbitrary set.
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– eyeballfrog
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Thank you, that is very elegant. I will definitely try out all of the answers as I often use this in various scenarios.
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I often use - and have seen others use - $mathbb{1}$ ("blackboard bold") to denote the indicator function to distinguish it from the number $1$
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– Christopher
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The indicator function isn’t a ternary operator, it only has two operands.
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In math, equations are written in piecewise form by having a curly brace enclose multiple lines; each one with a condition excepting the last which has "otherwise".
There are a few custom operators that also occasionally make an appearance. E.g. the Heavyside function mentioned by Alex, the Dirac function, and the cyclical operator $delta_{ijk}$ - all of which can be used to emulate conditional behaviour.
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One should realize that operators are just a fancy way of using functions.
So a ternary operator is a function of 3 variables that is notated in a different way. Is that useful? The answer is mostly not. Also realize that any mathematician is allowed to introduce any notation he feels is illustrative.
Let's review why we use binary operators at all like in a+b*c . Because parameters and results are of the same type, it makes sense to leave out parentheses and introduce complicated priority rules. Imagine that a b c are numbers and we have a normal + and a peculiar * that results in dragons. Now the expression doesn't make sense (assumming a high priority *), because there is no way to add numbers and dragons. Thusly most ternary operators results in a mess.
With a proper notation there are examples of ternary operations. For example, there is a special notation for "sum for i from a to b of expression". This takes two boundaries (numbers) and a function from a number of that type that results in another number. (Mathematician, read "element of an addition group" for number.)
The notation for integration is similarly ternary.
So in short ternary operators exist, and you can define your own. They are in general accompagnied with a special notation, or they are not helpful.
Now back to the special case you mention.
Because truth values are implied in math, an expression like "if a then b else c" makes sense if a represens a truth value like (7<12). The above expression is understood in every mathematical context. However in a context where truth values are not considered a set, (if .. then .. else ..) would not be considered an operator/function, but a textual explanation. A general accepted notation could be useful in math, but I'm not aware there is one. That is probably, because like in the above, informal notations are readily understood.
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There are several types of triple product on vectors — though those are usually notated with a combination of binary operators, not a single ternary one.
(And they're not ternary conditional operators, which is what the question may be intending.)
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There are many good answers that give notation for, “if this condition holds, then 1, else 0.” This corresponds to an even simpler expression in C;(x>1) is equivalent to (x>1 ? 1 : 0).
It’s worth noting that the ternary operator is more general than that. If the arguments are elements of a ring, you could express c ? a : b with (using Iverson-bracket notation) $(a-b) cdot [c] + b$, but not otherwise. (And compilers frequently use this trick, in a Boolean ring, to compile conditionals without needing to execute a branch instruction.) In a C program, evaluating the expressions $a$ or $b$ might have side-effects, such as deleting a file or printing a message to the screen. In a mathematical function, this isn’t something you would worry about, and a programming language where this is impossible is called functional.
Ross Millikan gave the most standard notation, a cases block. The closest equivalent in mathematical computer science is the if-then-else function of Lambda Calculus.
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"in C;(x>1) is equivalent to (x>1 ? 1 : 0)" Not exactly. Rather, C considers any nonzero value as equivalent from a truthiness perspective. So there is no difference between an integer expression taking the value of -1, 1, 42 orINT_MAXwhen that expression is treated as a boolean rvalue. In C, the one special integer value, when treated as a boolean, is 0, representing false. That said, if someone actually used(x>1)as a non-boolean expression and I noticed it, I would likely at least briefly try to find some heavy physical object that could be applied at high speed to their keyboard.
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@aCVn The C11 standard states, “Each of the operators<(less than),>(greater than),<=(less than or equal to), and>=(greater than or equal to) shall yield1if the specified relation is true and0if it is false.” Similarly for equality and inequality, “Each of the operators yields1if the specified relation is true and0if it is false.”
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@aCVn What you wrote is true, but the relational operators in C will only return the values1or0.
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From physics, I'm used to seeing the Kronecker delta,$$
{delta}_{ij}
equiv
left{
begin{array}{lll}
1 &text{if} & i=j \
0 &text{else}
end{array}
right. _{,}
$$and I think people who work with it find the slightly generalized notation$$
{delta}_{left[text{condition}right]}
equiv
left{
begin{array}{lll}
1 &text{if} & left[text{condition}right] \
0 &text{else}
end{array}
right.
$$to be pretty natural to them.
So, I tend to use $delta_{left[text{condition}right]}$ for a lot of things. Just seems so simple and well-understood.
Transforms:
Basic Kronecker delta:
To write the basic Kronecker delta in terms of the generalized Kronecker delta, it's just$$
delta_{ij}
Rightarrow
delta_{i=j}
,.$$It's almost the same notation, and I think most folks can figure it out pretty easily without needing it explained.Conditional operator:
The "conditional operator" or "ternary operator" for the simple case of?1:0:$$
begin{array}{ccccc}
boxed{
begin{array}{l}
texttt{if}~left(texttt{condition}right) \
{ \
~~~~texttt{return 1;} \
} \
texttt{else} \
{ \
~~~~texttt{return 0;} \
}
end{array}
~} &
Rightarrow &
boxed{~
texttt{condition ? 1 : 0}
~} &
Rightarrow &
delta_{i=j}
end{array}
_{.}
$$Then if you want a non-zero value for thefalse-case, you'd just add another Kronecker delta, $delta_{operatorname{NOT}left(left[text{condition}right]right)} ,$ e.g. $delta_{i neq j} .$Indicator function:
@SiongThyeGoh's answer recommended using indicator function notation. I'd rewrite their example like$$
begin{array}{ccccc}
underbrace{a=b+1+mathbb{1}_{(-infty, 0]}(c)}
_{text{their example}}
&
Rightarrow &
underbrace{a=b+1+ delta_{c in left(-infty, 0right]}}
_{text{direct translation}} &
Rightarrow &
underbrace{a=b+1+ delta_{c , {small{leq}} , 0}}
_{text{cleaner form}}
end{array}
,.
$$Iverson bracket:
Iverson bracket notation, as suggested in @FredH's answer, is apparently the same thing; according to Wikipedia, it's meant as a generalization of the Kronecker delta, except they drop the $delta$ entirely, just putting the condition in square-brackets. In a context in readers expect it, Iverson bracket notation might be preferable if conditionals will be used a lot.
Note: "Conditional operator" rather than "ternary operator".
The conditional operator, condition ? trueValue : falseValue, has 3 arguments, making it an example of a ternary operator. By contrast, most other operators in programming tend to be unary operators (which have 1 argument) or binary operators (which have 2 arguments).
Since the conditional operator is fairly unique in being a ternary operator, it's often been called "the ternary operator", leading many to believe that that's its name. However, "conditional operator" is more specific and should generally be preferred.
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wow, this is beautiful. I need it for an infinite series (with some elements excluded i.e. multiplied by zero and others included, multiplied by 1) so this cleaner form is exactly what I need.
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– dataphile
2 hours ago
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@dataphile Yeah, the Kronecker delta's great for specifying elements like that; it comes in handy if you're using Sigma/Pi/Einstein notations. Worth noting that it's basically the integrated Dirac delta; if you're working in a continuous domain, then the Dirac delta tends to be preferred, though it's largely the same thing.
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– Nat
2 hours ago
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The Kronecker delta isn’t a ternary operator, it’s a plain old binary operator, since it has two operands.
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
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@KonradRudolph Yeah, gotta add a $delta_{operatorname{NOT}left(left[text{condition}right]right)}$-term to get thatfalse-case behavior in there when it's non-zero.
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– Nat
1 hour ago
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The $1$-if-condition-else-$0$ generalisation of the Kronecker delta is called the Iverson bracket. We can generalise to any two input values we like with a suitable function, of domain ${0,,1}$, wraping the Iverson bracket.
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– J.G.
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From physics, I'm used to seeing the Kronecker delta,$$
{delta}_{ij}
equiv
left{
begin{array}{lll}
1 &text{if} & i=j \
0 &text{else}
end{array}
right. _{,}
$$and I think people who work with it find the slightly generalized notation$$
{delta}_{left[text{condition}right]}
equiv
left{
begin{array}{lll}
1 &text{if} & left[text{condition}right] \
0 &text{else}
end{array}
right.
$$to be pretty natural to them.
So, I tend to use $delta_{left[text{condition}right]}$ for a lot of things. Just seems so simple and well-understood.
Transforms:
Basic Kronecker delta:
To write the basic Kronecker delta in terms of the generalized Kronecker delta, it's just$$
delta_{ij}
Rightarrow
delta_{i=j}
,.$$It's almost the same notation, and I think most folks can figure it out pretty easily without needing it explained.Conditional operator:
The "conditional operator" or "ternary operator" for the simple case of?1:0:$$
begin{array}{ccccc}
boxed{
begin{array}{l}
texttt{if}~left(texttt{condition}right) \
{ \
~~~~texttt{return 1;} \
} \
texttt{else} \
{ \
~~~~texttt{return 0;} \
}
end{array}
~} &
Rightarrow &
boxed{~
texttt{condition ? 1 : 0}
~} &
Rightarrow &
delta_{i=j}
end{array}
_{.}
$$Then if you want a non-zero value for thefalse-case, you'd just add another Kronecker delta, $delta_{operatorname{NOT}left(left[text{condition}right]right)} ,$ e.g. $delta_{i neq j} .$Indicator function:
@SiongThyeGoh's answer recommended using indicator function notation. I'd rewrite their example like$$
begin{array}{ccccc}
underbrace{a=b+1+mathbb{1}_{(-infty, 0]}(c)}
_{text{their example}}
&
Rightarrow &
underbrace{a=b+1+ delta_{c in left(-infty, 0right]}}
_{text{direct translation}} &
Rightarrow &
underbrace{a=b+1+ delta_{c , {small{leq}} , 0}}
_{text{cleaner form}}
end{array}
,.
$$Iverson bracket:
Iverson bracket notation, as suggested in @FredH's answer, is apparently the same thing; according to Wikipedia, it's meant as a generalization of the Kronecker delta, except they drop the $delta$ entirely, just putting the condition in square-brackets. In a context in readers expect it, Iverson bracket notation might be preferable if conditionals will be used a lot.
Note: "Conditional operator" rather than "ternary operator".
The conditional operator, condition ? trueValue : falseValue, has 3 arguments, making it an example of a ternary operator. By contrast, most other operators in programming tend to be unary operators (which have 1 argument) or binary operators (which have 2 arguments).
Since the conditional operator is fairly unique in being a ternary operator, it's often been called "the ternary operator", leading many to believe that that's its name. However, "conditional operator" is more specific and should generally be preferred.
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wow, this is beautiful. I need it for an infinite series (with some elements excluded i.e. multiplied by zero and others included, multiplied by 1) so this cleaner form is exactly what I need.
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– dataphile
2 hours ago
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@dataphile Yeah, the Kronecker delta's great for specifying elements like that; it comes in handy if you're using Sigma/Pi/Einstein notations. Worth noting that it's basically the integrated Dirac delta; if you're working in a continuous domain, then the Dirac delta tends to be preferred, though it's largely the same thing.
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– Nat
2 hours ago
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The Kronecker delta isn’t a ternary operator, it’s a plain old binary operator, since it has two operands.
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
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@KonradRudolph Yeah, gotta add a $delta_{operatorname{NOT}left(left[text{condition}right]right)}$-term to get thatfalse-case behavior in there when it's non-zero.
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– Nat
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
The $1$-if-condition-else-$0$ generalisation of the Kronecker delta is called the Iverson bracket. We can generalise to any two input values we like with a suitable function, of domain ${0,,1}$, wraping the Iverson bracket.
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– J.G.
5 mins ago
add a comment |
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From physics, I'm used to seeing the Kronecker delta,$$
{delta}_{ij}
equiv
left{
begin{array}{lll}
1 &text{if} & i=j \
0 &text{else}
end{array}
right. _{,}
$$and I think people who work with it find the slightly generalized notation$$
{delta}_{left[text{condition}right]}
equiv
left{
begin{array}{lll}
1 &text{if} & left[text{condition}right] \
0 &text{else}
end{array}
right.
$$to be pretty natural to them.
So, I tend to use $delta_{left[text{condition}right]}$ for a lot of things. Just seems so simple and well-understood.
Transforms:
Basic Kronecker delta:
To write the basic Kronecker delta in terms of the generalized Kronecker delta, it's just$$
delta_{ij}
Rightarrow
delta_{i=j}
,.$$It's almost the same notation, and I think most folks can figure it out pretty easily without needing it explained.Conditional operator:
The "conditional operator" or "ternary operator" for the simple case of?1:0:$$
begin{array}{ccccc}
boxed{
begin{array}{l}
texttt{if}~left(texttt{condition}right) \
{ \
~~~~texttt{return 1;} \
} \
texttt{else} \
{ \
~~~~texttt{return 0;} \
}
end{array}
~} &
Rightarrow &
boxed{~
texttt{condition ? 1 : 0}
~} &
Rightarrow &
delta_{i=j}
end{array}
_{.}
$$Then if you want a non-zero value for thefalse-case, you'd just add another Kronecker delta, $delta_{operatorname{NOT}left(left[text{condition}right]right)} ,$ e.g. $delta_{i neq j} .$Indicator function:
@SiongThyeGoh's answer recommended using indicator function notation. I'd rewrite their example like$$
begin{array}{ccccc}
underbrace{a=b+1+mathbb{1}_{(-infty, 0]}(c)}
_{text{their example}}
&
Rightarrow &
underbrace{a=b+1+ delta_{c in left(-infty, 0right]}}
_{text{direct translation}} &
Rightarrow &
underbrace{a=b+1+ delta_{c , {small{leq}} , 0}}
_{text{cleaner form}}
end{array}
,.
$$Iverson bracket:
Iverson bracket notation, as suggested in @FredH's answer, is apparently the same thing; according to Wikipedia, it's meant as a generalization of the Kronecker delta, except they drop the $delta$ entirely, just putting the condition in square-brackets. In a context in readers expect it, Iverson bracket notation might be preferable if conditionals will be used a lot.
Note: "Conditional operator" rather than "ternary operator".
The conditional operator, condition ? trueValue : falseValue, has 3 arguments, making it an example of a ternary operator. By contrast, most other operators in programming tend to be unary operators (which have 1 argument) or binary operators (which have 2 arguments).
Since the conditional operator is fairly unique in being a ternary operator, it's often been called "the ternary operator", leading many to believe that that's its name. However, "conditional operator" is more specific and should generally be preferred.
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From physics, I'm used to seeing the Kronecker delta,$$
{delta}_{ij}
equiv
left{
begin{array}{lll}
1 &text{if} & i=j \
0 &text{else}
end{array}
right. _{,}
$$and I think people who work with it find the slightly generalized notation$$
{delta}_{left[text{condition}right]}
equiv
left{
begin{array}{lll}
1 &text{if} & left[text{condition}right] \
0 &text{else}
end{array}
right.
$$to be pretty natural to them.
So, I tend to use $delta_{left[text{condition}right]}$ for a lot of things. Just seems so simple and well-understood.
Transforms:
Basic Kronecker delta:
To write the basic Kronecker delta in terms of the generalized Kronecker delta, it's just$$
delta_{ij}
Rightarrow
delta_{i=j}
,.$$It's almost the same notation, and I think most folks can figure it out pretty easily without needing it explained.Conditional operator:
The "conditional operator" or "ternary operator" for the simple case of?1:0:$$
begin{array}{ccccc}
boxed{
begin{array}{l}
texttt{if}~left(texttt{condition}right) \
{ \
~~~~texttt{return 1;} \
} \
texttt{else} \
{ \
~~~~texttt{return 0;} \
}
end{array}
~} &
Rightarrow &
boxed{~
texttt{condition ? 1 : 0}
~} &
Rightarrow &
delta_{i=j}
end{array}
_{.}
$$Then if you want a non-zero value for thefalse-case, you'd just add another Kronecker delta, $delta_{operatorname{NOT}left(left[text{condition}right]right)} ,$ e.g. $delta_{i neq j} .$Indicator function:
@SiongThyeGoh's answer recommended using indicator function notation. I'd rewrite their example like$$
begin{array}{ccccc}
underbrace{a=b+1+mathbb{1}_{(-infty, 0]}(c)}
_{text{their example}}
&
Rightarrow &
underbrace{a=b+1+ delta_{c in left(-infty, 0right]}}
_{text{direct translation}} &
Rightarrow &
underbrace{a=b+1+ delta_{c , {small{leq}} , 0}}
_{text{cleaner form}}
end{array}
,.
$$Iverson bracket:
Iverson bracket notation, as suggested in @FredH's answer, is apparently the same thing; according to Wikipedia, it's meant as a generalization of the Kronecker delta, except they drop the $delta$ entirely, just putting the condition in square-brackets. In a context in readers expect it, Iverson bracket notation might be preferable if conditionals will be used a lot.
Note: "Conditional operator" rather than "ternary operator".
The conditional operator, condition ? trueValue : falseValue, has 3 arguments, making it an example of a ternary operator. By contrast, most other operators in programming tend to be unary operators (which have 1 argument) or binary operators (which have 2 arguments).
Since the conditional operator is fairly unique in being a ternary operator, it's often been called "the ternary operator", leading many to believe that that's its name. However, "conditional operator" is more specific and should generally be preferred.
edited 1 hour ago
answered 2 hours ago
NatNat
6281511
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wow, this is beautiful. I need it for an infinite series (with some elements excluded i.e. multiplied by zero and others included, multiplied by 1) so this cleaner form is exactly what I need.
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– dataphile
2 hours ago
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@dataphile Yeah, the Kronecker delta's great for specifying elements like that; it comes in handy if you're using Sigma/Pi/Einstein notations. Worth noting that it's basically the integrated Dirac delta; if you're working in a continuous domain, then the Dirac delta tends to be preferred, though it's largely the same thing.
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– Nat
2 hours ago
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The Kronecker delta isn’t a ternary operator, it’s a plain old binary operator, since it has two operands.
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
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@KonradRudolph Yeah, gotta add a $delta_{operatorname{NOT}left(left[text{condition}right]right)}$-term to get thatfalse-case behavior in there when it's non-zero.
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– Nat
1 hour ago
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The $1$-if-condition-else-$0$ generalisation of the Kronecker delta is called the Iverson bracket. We can generalise to any two input values we like with a suitable function, of domain ${0,,1}$, wraping the Iverson bracket.
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– J.G.
5 mins ago
add a comment |
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wow, this is beautiful. I need it for an infinite series (with some elements excluded i.e. multiplied by zero and others included, multiplied by 1) so this cleaner form is exactly what I need.
$endgroup$
– dataphile
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
@dataphile Yeah, the Kronecker delta's great for specifying elements like that; it comes in handy if you're using Sigma/Pi/Einstein notations. Worth noting that it's basically the integrated Dirac delta; if you're working in a continuous domain, then the Dirac delta tends to be preferred, though it's largely the same thing.
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– Nat
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
The Kronecker delta isn’t a ternary operator, it’s a plain old binary operator, since it has two operands.
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
@KonradRudolph Yeah, gotta add a $delta_{operatorname{NOT}left(left[text{condition}right]right)}$-term to get thatfalse-case behavior in there when it's non-zero.
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– Nat
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
The $1$-if-condition-else-$0$ generalisation of the Kronecker delta is called the Iverson bracket. We can generalise to any two input values we like with a suitable function, of domain ${0,,1}$, wraping the Iverson bracket.
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– J.G.
5 mins ago
$begingroup$
wow, this is beautiful. I need it for an infinite series (with some elements excluded i.e. multiplied by zero and others included, multiplied by 1) so this cleaner form is exactly what I need.
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– dataphile
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
wow, this is beautiful. I need it for an infinite series (with some elements excluded i.e. multiplied by zero and others included, multiplied by 1) so this cleaner form is exactly what I need.
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– dataphile
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
@dataphile Yeah, the Kronecker delta's great for specifying elements like that; it comes in handy if you're using Sigma/Pi/Einstein notations. Worth noting that it's basically the integrated Dirac delta; if you're working in a continuous domain, then the Dirac delta tends to be preferred, though it's largely the same thing.
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– Nat
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
@dataphile Yeah, the Kronecker delta's great for specifying elements like that; it comes in handy if you're using Sigma/Pi/Einstein notations. Worth noting that it's basically the integrated Dirac delta; if you're working in a continuous domain, then the Dirac delta tends to be preferred, though it's largely the same thing.
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– Nat
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
The Kronecker delta isn’t a ternary operator, it’s a plain old binary operator, since it has two operands.
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
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The Kronecker delta isn’t a ternary operator, it’s a plain old binary operator, since it has two operands.
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
@KonradRudolph Yeah, gotta add a $delta_{operatorname{NOT}left(left[text{condition}right]right)}$-term to get that
false-case behavior in there when it's non-zero.$endgroup$
– Nat
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@KonradRudolph Yeah, gotta add a $delta_{operatorname{NOT}left(left[text{condition}right]right)}$-term to get that
false-case behavior in there when it's non-zero.$endgroup$
– Nat
1 hour ago
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The $1$-if-condition-else-$0$ generalisation of the Kronecker delta is called the Iverson bracket. We can generalise to any two input values we like with a suitable function, of domain ${0,,1}$, wraping the Iverson bracket.
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– J.G.
5 mins ago
$begingroup$
The $1$-if-condition-else-$0$ generalisation of the Kronecker delta is called the Iverson bracket. We can generalise to any two input values we like with a suitable function, of domain ${0,,1}$, wraping the Iverson bracket.
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– J.G.
5 mins ago
add a comment |
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This is not a ternary operator, it is a function of two variables. There is one operation that results in $a$. You can certainly define a function
$$f(b,c)=begin {cases} b+1&c gt 0\
b+2 & c le 0 end {cases}$$
You can also define functions with any number of inputs you want, so you can define $f(a,b,c)=a(b+c^2)$, for example. This is a ternary function.
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Ternary operator in programming means a conditional statement of form "if A then x else y" and uually is written just as presented in the OP, i.e. A ? x : y. It would also literally be termary if the OP wouldn't have inserted the particular values of 1 and 2.
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– Džuris
7 hours ago
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@Džuris Ternary means "of arity 3", like binary means "of arity 2" and unary "of arity 1". The specific operator is the conditional ternary operator.
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– frabala
7 hours ago
2
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Yes, that's what the word means. But the term ternary operator in programming is exactly THE conditional ternary operator. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%3F:)
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– Džuris
7 hours ago
5
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Once again, clarity beats compactness when it comes to mathematics.
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– Asaf Karagila♦
4 hours ago
3
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Well-chosen compact notations can contribute to clarity rather than detract from it, though.
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– Henning Makholm
4 hours ago
|
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This is not a ternary operator, it is a function of two variables. There is one operation that results in $a$. You can certainly define a function
$$f(b,c)=begin {cases} b+1&c gt 0\
b+2 & c le 0 end {cases}$$
You can also define functions with any number of inputs you want, so you can define $f(a,b,c)=a(b+c^2)$, for example. This is a ternary function.
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3
$begingroup$
Ternary operator in programming means a conditional statement of form "if A then x else y" and uually is written just as presented in the OP, i.e. A ? x : y. It would also literally be termary if the OP wouldn't have inserted the particular values of 1 and 2.
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– Džuris
7 hours ago
6
$begingroup$
@Džuris Ternary means "of arity 3", like binary means "of arity 2" and unary "of arity 1". The specific operator is the conditional ternary operator.
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– frabala
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
Yes, that's what the word means. But the term ternary operator in programming is exactly THE conditional ternary operator. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%3F:)
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– Džuris
7 hours ago
5
$begingroup$
Once again, clarity beats compactness when it comes to mathematics.
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– Asaf Karagila♦
4 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
Well-chosen compact notations can contribute to clarity rather than detract from it, though.
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– Henning Makholm
4 hours ago
|
show 6 more comments
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This is not a ternary operator, it is a function of two variables. There is one operation that results in $a$. You can certainly define a function
$$f(b,c)=begin {cases} b+1&c gt 0\
b+2 & c le 0 end {cases}$$
You can also define functions with any number of inputs you want, so you can define $f(a,b,c)=a(b+c^2)$, for example. This is a ternary function.
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This is not a ternary operator, it is a function of two variables. There is one operation that results in $a$. You can certainly define a function
$$f(b,c)=begin {cases} b+1&c gt 0\
b+2 & c le 0 end {cases}$$
You can also define functions with any number of inputs you want, so you can define $f(a,b,c)=a(b+c^2)$, for example. This is a ternary function.
answered 11 hours ago
Ross MillikanRoss Millikan
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298k23199372
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Ternary operator in programming means a conditional statement of form "if A then x else y" and uually is written just as presented in the OP, i.e. A ? x : y. It would also literally be termary if the OP wouldn't have inserted the particular values of 1 and 2.
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– Džuris
7 hours ago
6
$begingroup$
@Džuris Ternary means "of arity 3", like binary means "of arity 2" and unary "of arity 1". The specific operator is the conditional ternary operator.
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– frabala
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
Yes, that's what the word means. But the term ternary operator in programming is exactly THE conditional ternary operator. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%3F:)
$endgroup$
– Džuris
7 hours ago
5
$begingroup$
Once again, clarity beats compactness when it comes to mathematics.
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– Asaf Karagila♦
4 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
Well-chosen compact notations can contribute to clarity rather than detract from it, though.
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– Henning Makholm
4 hours ago
|
show 6 more comments
3
$begingroup$
Ternary operator in programming means a conditional statement of form "if A then x else y" and uually is written just as presented in the OP, i.e. A ? x : y. It would also literally be termary if the OP wouldn't have inserted the particular values of 1 and 2.
$endgroup$
– Džuris
7 hours ago
6
$begingroup$
@Džuris Ternary means "of arity 3", like binary means "of arity 2" and unary "of arity 1". The specific operator is the conditional ternary operator.
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– frabala
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
Yes, that's what the word means. But the term ternary operator in programming is exactly THE conditional ternary operator. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%3F:)
$endgroup$
– Džuris
7 hours ago
5
$begingroup$
Once again, clarity beats compactness when it comes to mathematics.
$endgroup$
– Asaf Karagila♦
4 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
Well-chosen compact notations can contribute to clarity rather than detract from it, though.
$endgroup$
– Henning Makholm
4 hours ago
3
3
$begingroup$
Ternary operator in programming means a conditional statement of form "if A then x else y" and uually is written just as presented in the OP, i.e. A ? x : y. It would also literally be termary if the OP wouldn't have inserted the particular values of 1 and 2.
$endgroup$
– Džuris
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ternary operator in programming means a conditional statement of form "if A then x else y" and uually is written just as presented in the OP, i.e. A ? x : y. It would also literally be termary if the OP wouldn't have inserted the particular values of 1 and 2.
$endgroup$
– Džuris
7 hours ago
6
6
$begingroup$
@Džuris Ternary means "of arity 3", like binary means "of arity 2" and unary "of arity 1". The specific operator is the conditional ternary operator.
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– frabala
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Džuris Ternary means "of arity 3", like binary means "of arity 2" and unary "of arity 1". The specific operator is the conditional ternary operator.
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– frabala
7 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
Yes, that's what the word means. But the term ternary operator in programming is exactly THE conditional ternary operator. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%3F:)
$endgroup$
– Džuris
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Yes, that's what the word means. But the term ternary operator in programming is exactly THE conditional ternary operator. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%3F:)
$endgroup$
– Džuris
7 hours ago
5
5
$begingroup$
Once again, clarity beats compactness when it comes to mathematics.
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– Asaf Karagila♦
4 hours ago
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Once again, clarity beats compactness when it comes to mathematics.
$endgroup$
– Asaf Karagila♦
4 hours ago
3
3
$begingroup$
Well-chosen compact notations can contribute to clarity rather than detract from it, though.
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– Henning Makholm
4 hours ago
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Well-chosen compact notations can contribute to clarity rather than detract from it, though.
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– Henning Makholm
4 hours ago
|
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In Concrete Mathematics by Graham, Knuth and Patashnik, the authors use the "Iverson bracket" notation: Square brackets around a statement represent $1$ if the statement is true and $0$ otherwise. Using this notation, you could write
$$
a = b + 2 - [c gt 0].
$$
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aka en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iverson_bracket
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– qwr
10 hours ago
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@qwr Thank you! I did not recall the name.
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– FredH
10 hours ago
5
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I would find it clearer to write $a = b + 1[c>0] + 2[cle0]$.
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– Rahul
10 hours ago
1
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I personally find Iverson brackets less cluttered than indicator functions, so I definitely recommend this notation.
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– J. M. is not a mathematician
5 hours ago
2
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Surely this is a unary operator, which works much like for example!in the C programming language: Input is an arbitrary expression, the result is either 0 or 1 depending on the expression.
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– pipe
2 hours ago
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show 1 more comment
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In Concrete Mathematics by Graham, Knuth and Patashnik, the authors use the "Iverson bracket" notation: Square brackets around a statement represent $1$ if the statement is true and $0$ otherwise. Using this notation, you could write
$$
a = b + 2 - [c gt 0].
$$
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5
$begingroup$
aka en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iverson_bracket
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– qwr
10 hours ago
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@qwr Thank you! I did not recall the name.
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– FredH
10 hours ago
5
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I would find it clearer to write $a = b + 1[c>0] + 2[cle0]$.
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– Rahul
10 hours ago
1
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I personally find Iverson brackets less cluttered than indicator functions, so I definitely recommend this notation.
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– J. M. is not a mathematician
5 hours ago
2
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Surely this is a unary operator, which works much like for example!in the C programming language: Input is an arbitrary expression, the result is either 0 or 1 depending on the expression.
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– pipe
2 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
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In Concrete Mathematics by Graham, Knuth and Patashnik, the authors use the "Iverson bracket" notation: Square brackets around a statement represent $1$ if the statement is true and $0$ otherwise. Using this notation, you could write
$$
a = b + 2 - [c gt 0].
$$
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In Concrete Mathematics by Graham, Knuth and Patashnik, the authors use the "Iverson bracket" notation: Square brackets around a statement represent $1$ if the statement is true and $0$ otherwise. Using this notation, you could write
$$
a = b + 2 - [c gt 0].
$$
edited 10 hours ago
answered 11 hours ago
FredHFredH
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aka en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iverson_bracket
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– qwr
10 hours ago
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@qwr Thank you! I did not recall the name.
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– FredH
10 hours ago
5
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I would find it clearer to write $a = b + 1[c>0] + 2[cle0]$.
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– Rahul
10 hours ago
1
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I personally find Iverson brackets less cluttered than indicator functions, so I definitely recommend this notation.
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– J. M. is not a mathematician
5 hours ago
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Surely this is a unary operator, which works much like for example!in the C programming language: Input is an arbitrary expression, the result is either 0 or 1 depending on the expression.
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– pipe
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aka en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iverson_bracket
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– qwr
10 hours ago
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@qwr Thank you! I did not recall the name.
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– FredH
10 hours ago
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I would find it clearer to write $a = b + 1[c>0] + 2[cle0]$.
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– Rahul
10 hours ago
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I personally find Iverson brackets less cluttered than indicator functions, so I definitely recommend this notation.
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– J. M. is not a mathematician
5 hours ago
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Surely this is a unary operator, which works much like for example!in the C programming language: Input is an arbitrary expression, the result is either 0 or 1 depending on the expression.
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– pipe
2 hours ago
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aka en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iverson_bracket
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– qwr
10 hours ago
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aka en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iverson_bracket
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– qwr
10 hours ago
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@qwr Thank you! I did not recall the name.
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– FredH
10 hours ago
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@qwr Thank you! I did not recall the name.
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– FredH
10 hours ago
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I would find it clearer to write $a = b + 1[c>0] + 2[cle0]$.
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– Rahul
10 hours ago
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I would find it clearer to write $a = b + 1[c>0] + 2[cle0]$.
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– Rahul
10 hours ago
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I personally find Iverson brackets less cluttered than indicator functions, so I definitely recommend this notation.
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– J. M. is not a mathematician
5 hours ago
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I personally find Iverson brackets less cluttered than indicator functions, so I definitely recommend this notation.
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– J. M. is not a mathematician
5 hours ago
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Surely this is a unary operator, which works much like for example
! in the C programming language: Input is an arbitrary expression, the result is either 0 or 1 depending on the expression.$endgroup$
– pipe
2 hours ago
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Surely this is a unary operator, which works much like for example
! in the C programming language: Input is an arbitrary expression, the result is either 0 or 1 depending on the expression.$endgroup$
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Using the indicator function notation:$$a=b+1+mathbb{1}_{(-infty, 0]}(c)$$
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Indicator is definitely the way to go, since the conditional can define an arbitrary set.
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– eyeballfrog
11 hours ago
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Thank you, that is very elegant. I will definitely try out all of the answers as I often use this in various scenarios.
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– dataphile
11 hours ago
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I often use - and have seen others use - $mathbb{1}$ ("blackboard bold") to denote the indicator function to distinguish it from the number $1$
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– Christopher
3 hours ago
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The indicator function isn’t a ternary operator, it only has two operands.
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
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Using the indicator function notation:$$a=b+1+mathbb{1}_{(-infty, 0]}(c)$$
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Indicator is definitely the way to go, since the conditional can define an arbitrary set.
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– eyeballfrog
11 hours ago
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Thank you, that is very elegant. I will definitely try out all of the answers as I often use this in various scenarios.
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– dataphile
11 hours ago
2
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I often use - and have seen others use - $mathbb{1}$ ("blackboard bold") to denote the indicator function to distinguish it from the number $1$
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– Christopher
3 hours ago
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The indicator function isn’t a ternary operator, it only has two operands.
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
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Using the indicator function notation:$$a=b+1+mathbb{1}_{(-infty, 0]}(c)$$
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Using the indicator function notation:$$a=b+1+mathbb{1}_{(-infty, 0]}(c)$$
edited 3 hours ago
answered 11 hours ago
Siong Thye GohSiong Thye Goh
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Indicator is definitely the way to go, since the conditional can define an arbitrary set.
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– eyeballfrog
11 hours ago
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Thank you, that is very elegant. I will definitely try out all of the answers as I often use this in various scenarios.
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– dataphile
11 hours ago
2
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I often use - and have seen others use - $mathbb{1}$ ("blackboard bold") to denote the indicator function to distinguish it from the number $1$
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– Christopher
3 hours ago
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The indicator function isn’t a ternary operator, it only has two operands.
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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Indicator is definitely the way to go, since the conditional can define an arbitrary set.
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– eyeballfrog
11 hours ago
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Thank you, that is very elegant. I will definitely try out all of the answers as I often use this in various scenarios.
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– dataphile
11 hours ago
2
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I often use - and have seen others use - $mathbb{1}$ ("blackboard bold") to denote the indicator function to distinguish it from the number $1$
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– Christopher
3 hours ago
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The indicator function isn’t a ternary operator, it only has two operands.
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
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Indicator is definitely the way to go, since the conditional can define an arbitrary set.
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– eyeballfrog
11 hours ago
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Indicator is definitely the way to go, since the conditional can define an arbitrary set.
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– eyeballfrog
11 hours ago
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Thank you, that is very elegant. I will definitely try out all of the answers as I often use this in various scenarios.
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– dataphile
11 hours ago
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Thank you, that is very elegant. I will definitely try out all of the answers as I often use this in various scenarios.
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– dataphile
11 hours ago
2
2
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I often use - and have seen others use - $mathbb{1}$ ("blackboard bold") to denote the indicator function to distinguish it from the number $1$
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– Christopher
3 hours ago
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I often use - and have seen others use - $mathbb{1}$ ("blackboard bold") to denote the indicator function to distinguish it from the number $1$
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– Christopher
3 hours ago
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The indicator function isn’t a ternary operator, it only has two operands.
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
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The indicator function isn’t a ternary operator, it only has two operands.
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago
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In math, equations are written in piecewise form by having a curly brace enclose multiple lines; each one with a condition excepting the last which has "otherwise".
There are a few custom operators that also occasionally make an appearance. E.g. the Heavyside function mentioned by Alex, the Dirac function, and the cyclical operator $delta_{ijk}$ - all of which can be used to emulate conditional behaviour.
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In math, equations are written in piecewise form by having a curly brace enclose multiple lines; each one with a condition excepting the last which has "otherwise".
There are a few custom operators that also occasionally make an appearance. E.g. the Heavyside function mentioned by Alex, the Dirac function, and the cyclical operator $delta_{ijk}$ - all of which can be used to emulate conditional behaviour.
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add a comment |
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In math, equations are written in piecewise form by having a curly brace enclose multiple lines; each one with a condition excepting the last which has "otherwise".
There are a few custom operators that also occasionally make an appearance. E.g. the Heavyside function mentioned by Alex, the Dirac function, and the cyclical operator $delta_{ijk}$ - all of which can be used to emulate conditional behaviour.
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In math, equations are written in piecewise form by having a curly brace enclose multiple lines; each one with a condition excepting the last which has "otherwise".
There are a few custom operators that also occasionally make an appearance. E.g. the Heavyside function mentioned by Alex, the Dirac function, and the cyclical operator $delta_{ijk}$ - all of which can be used to emulate conditional behaviour.
answered 11 hours ago
Paul ChildsPaul Childs
3547
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One should realize that operators are just a fancy way of using functions.
So a ternary operator is a function of 3 variables that is notated in a different way. Is that useful? The answer is mostly not. Also realize that any mathematician is allowed to introduce any notation he feels is illustrative.
Let's review why we use binary operators at all like in a+b*c . Because parameters and results are of the same type, it makes sense to leave out parentheses and introduce complicated priority rules. Imagine that a b c are numbers and we have a normal + and a peculiar * that results in dragons. Now the expression doesn't make sense (assumming a high priority *), because there is no way to add numbers and dragons. Thusly most ternary operators results in a mess.
With a proper notation there are examples of ternary operations. For example, there is a special notation for "sum for i from a to b of expression". This takes two boundaries (numbers) and a function from a number of that type that results in another number. (Mathematician, read "element of an addition group" for number.)
The notation for integration is similarly ternary.
So in short ternary operators exist, and you can define your own. They are in general accompagnied with a special notation, or they are not helpful.
Now back to the special case you mention.
Because truth values are implied in math, an expression like "if a then b else c" makes sense if a represens a truth value like (7<12). The above expression is understood in every mathematical context. However in a context where truth values are not considered a set, (if .. then .. else ..) would not be considered an operator/function, but a textual explanation. A general accepted notation could be useful in math, but I'm not aware there is one. That is probably, because like in the above, informal notations are readily understood.
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One should realize that operators are just a fancy way of using functions.
So a ternary operator is a function of 3 variables that is notated in a different way. Is that useful? The answer is mostly not. Also realize that any mathematician is allowed to introduce any notation he feels is illustrative.
Let's review why we use binary operators at all like in a+b*c . Because parameters and results are of the same type, it makes sense to leave out parentheses and introduce complicated priority rules. Imagine that a b c are numbers and we have a normal + and a peculiar * that results in dragons. Now the expression doesn't make sense (assumming a high priority *), because there is no way to add numbers and dragons. Thusly most ternary operators results in a mess.
With a proper notation there are examples of ternary operations. For example, there is a special notation for "sum for i from a to b of expression". This takes two boundaries (numbers) and a function from a number of that type that results in another number. (Mathematician, read "element of an addition group" for number.)
The notation for integration is similarly ternary.
So in short ternary operators exist, and you can define your own. They are in general accompagnied with a special notation, or they are not helpful.
Now back to the special case you mention.
Because truth values are implied in math, an expression like "if a then b else c" makes sense if a represens a truth value like (7<12). The above expression is understood in every mathematical context. However in a context where truth values are not considered a set, (if .. then .. else ..) would not be considered an operator/function, but a textual explanation. A general accepted notation could be useful in math, but I'm not aware there is one. That is probably, because like in the above, informal notations are readily understood.
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One should realize that operators are just a fancy way of using functions.
So a ternary operator is a function of 3 variables that is notated in a different way. Is that useful? The answer is mostly not. Also realize that any mathematician is allowed to introduce any notation he feels is illustrative.
Let's review why we use binary operators at all like in a+b*c . Because parameters and results are of the same type, it makes sense to leave out parentheses and introduce complicated priority rules. Imagine that a b c are numbers and we have a normal + and a peculiar * that results in dragons. Now the expression doesn't make sense (assumming a high priority *), because there is no way to add numbers and dragons. Thusly most ternary operators results in a mess.
With a proper notation there are examples of ternary operations. For example, there is a special notation for "sum for i from a to b of expression". This takes two boundaries (numbers) and a function from a number of that type that results in another number. (Mathematician, read "element of an addition group" for number.)
The notation for integration is similarly ternary.
So in short ternary operators exist, and you can define your own. They are in general accompagnied with a special notation, or they are not helpful.
Now back to the special case you mention.
Because truth values are implied in math, an expression like "if a then b else c" makes sense if a represens a truth value like (7<12). The above expression is understood in every mathematical context. However in a context where truth values are not considered a set, (if .. then .. else ..) would not be considered an operator/function, but a textual explanation. A general accepted notation could be useful in math, but I'm not aware there is one. That is probably, because like in the above, informal notations are readily understood.
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One should realize that operators are just a fancy way of using functions.
So a ternary operator is a function of 3 variables that is notated in a different way. Is that useful? The answer is mostly not. Also realize that any mathematician is allowed to introduce any notation he feels is illustrative.
Let's review why we use binary operators at all like in a+b*c . Because parameters and results are of the same type, it makes sense to leave out parentheses and introduce complicated priority rules. Imagine that a b c are numbers and we have a normal + and a peculiar * that results in dragons. Now the expression doesn't make sense (assumming a high priority *), because there is no way to add numbers and dragons. Thusly most ternary operators results in a mess.
With a proper notation there are examples of ternary operations. For example, there is a special notation for "sum for i from a to b of expression". This takes two boundaries (numbers) and a function from a number of that type that results in another number. (Mathematician, read "element of an addition group" for number.)
The notation for integration is similarly ternary.
So in short ternary operators exist, and you can define your own. They are in general accompagnied with a special notation, or they are not helpful.
Now back to the special case you mention.
Because truth values are implied in math, an expression like "if a then b else c" makes sense if a represens a truth value like (7<12). The above expression is understood in every mathematical context. However in a context where truth values are not considered a set, (if .. then .. else ..) would not be considered an operator/function, but a textual explanation. A general accepted notation could be useful in math, but I'm not aware there is one. That is probably, because like in the above, informal notations are readily understood.
answered 7 hours ago
Albert van der HorstAlbert van der Horst
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There are several types of triple product on vectors — though those are usually notated with a combination of binary operators, not a single ternary one.
(And they're not ternary conditional operators, which is what the question may be intending.)
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There are several types of triple product on vectors — though those are usually notated with a combination of binary operators, not a single ternary one.
(And they're not ternary conditional operators, which is what the question may be intending.)
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There are several types of triple product on vectors — though those are usually notated with a combination of binary operators, not a single ternary one.
(And they're not ternary conditional operators, which is what the question may be intending.)
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(And they're not ternary conditional operators, which is what the question may be intending.)
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answered 2 hours ago
giddsgidds
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There are many good answers that give notation for, “if this condition holds, then 1, else 0.” This corresponds to an even simpler expression in C;(x>1) is equivalent to (x>1 ? 1 : 0).
It’s worth noting that the ternary operator is more general than that. If the arguments are elements of a ring, you could express c ? a : b with (using Iverson-bracket notation) $(a-b) cdot [c] + b$, but not otherwise. (And compilers frequently use this trick, in a Boolean ring, to compile conditionals without needing to execute a branch instruction.) In a C program, evaluating the expressions $a$ or $b$ might have side-effects, such as deleting a file or printing a message to the screen. In a mathematical function, this isn’t something you would worry about, and a programming language where this is impossible is called functional.
Ross Millikan gave the most standard notation, a cases block. The closest equivalent in mathematical computer science is the if-then-else function of Lambda Calculus.
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"in C;(x>1) is equivalent to (x>1 ? 1 : 0)" Not exactly. Rather, C considers any nonzero value as equivalent from a truthiness perspective. So there is no difference between an integer expression taking the value of -1, 1, 42 orINT_MAXwhen that expression is treated as a boolean rvalue. In C, the one special integer value, when treated as a boolean, is 0, representing false. That said, if someone actually used(x>1)as a non-boolean expression and I noticed it, I would likely at least briefly try to find some heavy physical object that could be applied at high speed to their keyboard.
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– a CVn
1 hour ago
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@aCVn The C11 standard states, “Each of the operators<(less than),>(greater than),<=(less than or equal to), and>=(greater than or equal to) shall yield1if the specified relation is true and0if it is false.” Similarly for equality and inequality, “Each of the operators yields1if the specified relation is true and0if it is false.”
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– Davislor
51 mins ago
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@aCVn What you wrote is true, but the relational operators in C will only return the values1or0.
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– Davislor
38 mins ago
add a comment |
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There are many good answers that give notation for, “if this condition holds, then 1, else 0.” This corresponds to an even simpler expression in C;(x>1) is equivalent to (x>1 ? 1 : 0).
It’s worth noting that the ternary operator is more general than that. If the arguments are elements of a ring, you could express c ? a : b with (using Iverson-bracket notation) $(a-b) cdot [c] + b$, but not otherwise. (And compilers frequently use this trick, in a Boolean ring, to compile conditionals without needing to execute a branch instruction.) In a C program, evaluating the expressions $a$ or $b$ might have side-effects, such as deleting a file or printing a message to the screen. In a mathematical function, this isn’t something you would worry about, and a programming language where this is impossible is called functional.
Ross Millikan gave the most standard notation, a cases block. The closest equivalent in mathematical computer science is the if-then-else function of Lambda Calculus.
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"in C;(x>1) is equivalent to (x>1 ? 1 : 0)" Not exactly. Rather, C considers any nonzero value as equivalent from a truthiness perspective. So there is no difference between an integer expression taking the value of -1, 1, 42 orINT_MAXwhen that expression is treated as a boolean rvalue. In C, the one special integer value, when treated as a boolean, is 0, representing false. That said, if someone actually used(x>1)as a non-boolean expression and I noticed it, I would likely at least briefly try to find some heavy physical object that could be applied at high speed to their keyboard.
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– a CVn
1 hour ago
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@aCVn The C11 standard states, “Each of the operators<(less than),>(greater than),<=(less than or equal to), and>=(greater than or equal to) shall yield1if the specified relation is true and0if it is false.” Similarly for equality and inequality, “Each of the operators yields1if the specified relation is true and0if it is false.”
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– Davislor
51 mins ago
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@aCVn What you wrote is true, but the relational operators in C will only return the values1or0.
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– Davislor
38 mins ago
add a comment |
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There are many good answers that give notation for, “if this condition holds, then 1, else 0.” This corresponds to an even simpler expression in C;(x>1) is equivalent to (x>1 ? 1 : 0).
It’s worth noting that the ternary operator is more general than that. If the arguments are elements of a ring, you could express c ? a : b with (using Iverson-bracket notation) $(a-b) cdot [c] + b$, but not otherwise. (And compilers frequently use this trick, in a Boolean ring, to compile conditionals without needing to execute a branch instruction.) In a C program, evaluating the expressions $a$ or $b$ might have side-effects, such as deleting a file or printing a message to the screen. In a mathematical function, this isn’t something you would worry about, and a programming language where this is impossible is called functional.
Ross Millikan gave the most standard notation, a cases block. The closest equivalent in mathematical computer science is the if-then-else function of Lambda Calculus.
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There are many good answers that give notation for, “if this condition holds, then 1, else 0.” This corresponds to an even simpler expression in C;(x>1) is equivalent to (x>1 ? 1 : 0).
It’s worth noting that the ternary operator is more general than that. If the arguments are elements of a ring, you could express c ? a : b with (using Iverson-bracket notation) $(a-b) cdot [c] + b$, but not otherwise. (And compilers frequently use this trick, in a Boolean ring, to compile conditionals without needing to execute a branch instruction.) In a C program, evaluating the expressions $a$ or $b$ might have side-effects, such as deleting a file or printing a message to the screen. In a mathematical function, this isn’t something you would worry about, and a programming language where this is impossible is called functional.
Ross Millikan gave the most standard notation, a cases block. The closest equivalent in mathematical computer science is the if-then-else function of Lambda Calculus.
edited 41 mins ago
answered 4 hours ago
DavislorDavislor
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"in C;(x>1) is equivalent to (x>1 ? 1 : 0)" Not exactly. Rather, C considers any nonzero value as equivalent from a truthiness perspective. So there is no difference between an integer expression taking the value of -1, 1, 42 orINT_MAXwhen that expression is treated as a boolean rvalue. In C, the one special integer value, when treated as a boolean, is 0, representing false. That said, if someone actually used(x>1)as a non-boolean expression and I noticed it, I would likely at least briefly try to find some heavy physical object that could be applied at high speed to their keyboard.
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– a CVn
1 hour ago
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@aCVn The C11 standard states, “Each of the operators<(less than),>(greater than),<=(less than or equal to), and>=(greater than or equal to) shall yield1if the specified relation is true and0if it is false.” Similarly for equality and inequality, “Each of the operators yields1if the specified relation is true and0if it is false.”
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– Davislor
51 mins ago
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@aCVn What you wrote is true, but the relational operators in C will only return the values1or0.
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– Davislor
38 mins ago
add a comment |
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"in C;(x>1) is equivalent to (x>1 ? 1 : 0)" Not exactly. Rather, C considers any nonzero value as equivalent from a truthiness perspective. So there is no difference between an integer expression taking the value of -1, 1, 42 orINT_MAXwhen that expression is treated as a boolean rvalue. In C, the one special integer value, when treated as a boolean, is 0, representing false. That said, if someone actually used(x>1)as a non-boolean expression and I noticed it, I would likely at least briefly try to find some heavy physical object that could be applied at high speed to their keyboard.
$endgroup$
– a CVn
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@aCVn The C11 standard states, “Each of the operators<(less than),>(greater than),<=(less than or equal to), and>=(greater than or equal to) shall yield1if the specified relation is true and0if it is false.” Similarly for equality and inequality, “Each of the operators yields1if the specified relation is true and0if it is false.”
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– Davislor
51 mins ago
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@aCVn What you wrote is true, but the relational operators in C will only return the values1or0.
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– Davislor
38 mins ago
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"in C;(x>1) is equivalent to (x>1 ? 1 : 0)" Not exactly. Rather, C considers any nonzero value as equivalent from a truthiness perspective. So there is no difference between an integer expression taking the value of -1, 1, 42 or
INT_MAX when that expression is treated as a boolean rvalue. In C, the one special integer value, when treated as a boolean, is 0, representing false. That said, if someone actually used (x>1) as a non-boolean expression and I noticed it, I would likely at least briefly try to find some heavy physical object that could be applied at high speed to their keyboard.$endgroup$
– a CVn
1 hour ago
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"in C;(x>1) is equivalent to (x>1 ? 1 : 0)" Not exactly. Rather, C considers any nonzero value as equivalent from a truthiness perspective. So there is no difference between an integer expression taking the value of -1, 1, 42 or
INT_MAX when that expression is treated as a boolean rvalue. In C, the one special integer value, when treated as a boolean, is 0, representing false. That said, if someone actually used (x>1) as a non-boolean expression and I noticed it, I would likely at least briefly try to find some heavy physical object that could be applied at high speed to their keyboard.$endgroup$
– a CVn
1 hour ago
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@aCVn The C11 standard states, “Each of the operators
< (less than), > (greater than), <= (less than or equal to), and >= (greater than or equal to) shall yield 1 if the specified relation is true and 0 if it is false.” Similarly for equality and inequality, “Each of the operators yields 1 if the specified relation is true and 0 if it is false.”$endgroup$
– Davislor
51 mins ago
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@aCVn The C11 standard states, “Each of the operators
< (less than), > (greater than), <= (less than or equal to), and >= (greater than or equal to) shall yield 1 if the specified relation is true and 0 if it is false.” Similarly for equality and inequality, “Each of the operators yields 1 if the specified relation is true and 0 if it is false.”$endgroup$
– Davislor
51 mins ago
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@aCVn What you wrote is true, but the relational operators in C will only return the values
1 or 0.$endgroup$
– Davislor
38 mins ago
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@aCVn What you wrote is true, but the relational operators in C will only return the values
1 or 0.$endgroup$
– Davislor
38 mins ago
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It probably depends on the form of the conditions and the results, but the example you gave can be expressed with the unit step $u(x)$ (with an appropriate definition at $x=1$): $a = u(b+c) + 1$
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– Alex
11 hours ago
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@Alex $a = b + 2 - u(c)$
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– eyeballfrog
11 hours ago
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A better question here is: what is good notation in this case. There are many ways of writing this, many ways which one would almost never use (like the accepted answer).
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– Winther
8 hours ago
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In C-derived languages at least, you have made a grievous error! Your expression parses as
a = (b + c) > 0 ? 1 : 2. I always use parentheses in these cases, even when they are not strictly necessary.$endgroup$
– TonyK
5 hours ago
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Just to clarify, by “ternary operator” you really mean “conditional operator”? Or are interested in any kind of ternary operator, regardless of semantics?
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– Konrad Rudolph
2 hours ago