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Iptables: Difference between RELATED and ESTABLISHED state?
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I've tried reading many articles on the internet but none of them are quite clear. I also know similar question has been posted here before but none of them explain my situation. Earlier I ended up wasting 2-3 hours because of this.
Manual says:
NEW -- meaning that the packet has started a new connection, or otherwise associated with a connection which has not seen packets in both directions, and
ESTABLISHED -- meaning that the packet is associated with a connection which has seen packets in both directions,
RELATED -- meaning that the packet is starting a new connection, but is associated with an existing connection, such as an FTP data transfer, or an ICMP error.
My iptables on Server look like:
iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
# Flush old rules
iptables -F
# Loopback
iptables -I INPUT 1 -i lo -j ACCEPT
# Allow responses from OUTPUT connection
iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
# Apache
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 443 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -P FORWARD DROP
iptables -P INPUT DROP
iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
Whenever I try curl --verbose https://server_ip/ from my PC, it works perfectly. But when I tried this from inside the server after SSHing into it, it always stuck at CLIENT HELLO. Why it is happening? Note: curl --verbose http://server_ip/(without SSL) worked perfectly from both local PC and server.
After I executed iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED -j ACCEPT, it started working from inside the server too. Again why it started working?
Manual says RELATED -- meaning that the packet is starting a new connection. Is it a security risk? Can a client open a connection to a different port using this? When it is useful?
ubuntu iptables firewall connection
asked Mar 9 '16 at 10:57
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I've tried reading many articles on the internet but none of them are quite clear. I also know similar question has been posted here before but none of them explain my situation. Earlier I ended up wasting 2-3 hours because of this.
Manual says:
NEW -- meaning that the packet has started a new connection, or otherwise associated with a connection which has not seen packets in both directions, and
ESTABLISHED -- meaning that the packet is associated with a connection which has seen packets in both directions,
RELATED -- meaning that the packet is starting a new connection, but is associated with an existing connection, such as an FTP data transfer, or an ICMP error.
My iptables on Server look like:
iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
# Flush old rules
iptables -F
# Loopback
iptables -I INPUT 1 -i lo -j ACCEPT
# Allow responses from OUTPUT connection
iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
# Apache
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 443 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -P FORWARD DROP
iptables -P INPUT DROP
iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
Whenever I try curl --verbose https://server_ip/ from my PC, it works perfectly. But when I tried this from inside the server after SSHing into it, it always stuck at CLIENT HELLO. Why it is happening? Note: curl --verbose http://server_ip/(without SSL) worked perfectly from both local PC and server.
After I executed iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED -j ACCEPT, it started working from inside the server too. Again why it started working?
Manual says RELATED -- meaning that the packet is starting a new connection. Is it a security risk? Can a client open a connection to a different port using this? When it is useful?
ubuntu iptables firewall connection
asked Mar 9 '16 at 10:57
VarunAgwVarunAgw
18717
bumped to the homepage by Community♦ 3 mins ago
This question has answers that may be good or bad; the system has marked it active so that they can be reviewed.
In a packet capture, what's the first packet you see with RELATED allowed which you don't see without the RELATED rule in there? My gut tells me this has something to do with the fact that, when you make a connection to the external-facing port, you are also allocating an external port. In other words, if your server's IP were 10.0.0.5, to connect to that IP from within the server you'd need to allocate a client port (say, 5029, to pick a random port) on that same IP address (so, 10.0.0.5:5029).
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:04
I think the problem likely happens when 10.0.0.5:443 (https) tries to send packets back to 10.0.0.5:5029, which causes those packets to be run through the firewall ruleset, and for some reason those response packets are being blocked because they're for neither a NEW connection (they're SYN-ACK packets), nor are they for an ESTABLISHEDj connection (it's a half-open connection). However, I know it isn't exactly that, because if it were HTTP should also be failing.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:06
Short version? Run a packet capture with the rule, another packet capture without the rule, and show us both captures. Or look at them yourself and see if you can figure it out.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:08
Incidentally, you don't need theNEW,ESTABLISHEDpart later on. You can just useNEWfor each of those, packets associated with anESTABLISHEDconnection would already have been accepted by that point.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:09
add a comment |
I've tried reading many articles on the internet but none of them are quite clear. I also know similar question has been posted here before but none of them explain my situation. Earlier I ended up wasting 2-3 hours because of this.
Manual says:
NEW -- meaning that the packet has started a new connection, or otherwise associated with a connection which has not seen packets in both directions, and
ESTABLISHED -- meaning that the packet is associated with a connection which has seen packets in both directions,
RELATED -- meaning that the packet is starting a new connection, but is associated with an existing connection, such as an FTP data transfer, or an ICMP error.
My iptables on Server look like:
iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
# Flush old rules
iptables -F
# Loopback
iptables -I INPUT 1 -i lo -j ACCEPT
# Allow responses from OUTPUT connection
iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
# Apache
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 443 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -P FORWARD DROP
iptables -P INPUT DROP
iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
Whenever I try curl --verbose https://server_ip/ from my PC, it works perfectly. But when I tried this from inside the server after SSHing into it, it always stuck at CLIENT HELLO. Why it is happening? Note: curl --verbose http://server_ip/(without SSL) worked perfectly from both local PC and server.
After I executed iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED -j ACCEPT, it started working from inside the server too. Again why it started working?
Manual says RELATED -- meaning that the packet is starting a new connection. Is it a security risk? Can a client open a connection to a different port using this? When it is useful?
ubuntu iptables firewall connection
asked Mar 9 '16 at 10:57
VarunAgwVarunAgw
18717
I've tried reading many articles on the internet but none of them are quite clear. I also know similar question has been posted here before but none of them explain my situation. Earlier I ended up wasting 2-3 hours because of this.
Manual says:
NEW -- meaning that the packet has started a new connection, or otherwise associated with a connection which has not seen packets in both directions, and
ESTABLISHED -- meaning that the packet is associated with a connection which has seen packets in both directions,
RELATED -- meaning that the packet is starting a new connection, but is associated with an existing connection, such as an FTP data transfer, or an ICMP error.
My iptables on Server look like:
iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
# Flush old rules
iptables -F
# Loopback
iptables -I INPUT 1 -i lo -j ACCEPT
# Allow responses from OUTPUT connection
iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
# Apache
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 443 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
iptables -P FORWARD DROP
iptables -P INPUT DROP
iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
Whenever I try curl --verbose https://server_ip/ from my PC, it works perfectly. But when I tried this from inside the server after SSHing into it, it always stuck at CLIENT HELLO. Why it is happening? Note: curl --verbose http://server_ip/(without SSL) worked perfectly from both local PC and server.
After I executed iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED -j ACCEPT, it started working from inside the server too. Again why it started working?
Manual says RELATED -- meaning that the packet is starting a new connection. Is it a security risk? Can a client open a connection to a different port using this? When it is useful?
ubuntu iptables firewall connection
ubuntu iptables firewall connection
asked Mar 9 '16 at 10:57
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18717
asked Mar 9 '16 at 10:57
VarunAgwVarunAgw
18717
edited Mar 9 '16 at 15:02
VarunAgw
asked Mar 9 '16 at 10:57
VarunAgwVarunAgw
18717
asked Mar 9 '16 at 10:57
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18717
asked Mar 9 '16 at 10:57
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18717
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bumped to the homepage by Community♦ 3 mins ago
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In a packet capture, what's the first packet you see with RELATED allowed which you don't see without the RELATED rule in there? My gut tells me this has something to do with the fact that, when you make a connection to the external-facing port, you are also allocating an external port. In other words, if your server's IP were 10.0.0.5, to connect to that IP from within the server you'd need to allocate a client port (say, 5029, to pick a random port) on that same IP address (so, 10.0.0.5:5029).
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:04
I think the problem likely happens when 10.0.0.5:443 (https) tries to send packets back to 10.0.0.5:5029, which causes those packets to be run through the firewall ruleset, and for some reason those response packets are being blocked because they're for neither a NEW connection (they're SYN-ACK packets), nor are they for an ESTABLISHEDj connection (it's a half-open connection). However, I know it isn't exactly that, because if it were HTTP should also be failing.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:06
Short version? Run a packet capture with the rule, another packet capture without the rule, and show us both captures. Or look at them yourself and see if you can figure it out.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:08
Incidentally, you don't need theNEW,ESTABLISHEDpart later on. You can just useNEWfor each of those, packets associated with anESTABLISHEDconnection would already have been accepted by that point.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:09
add a comment |
In a packet capture, what's the first packet you see with RELATED allowed which you don't see without the RELATED rule in there? My gut tells me this has something to do with the fact that, when you make a connection to the external-facing port, you are also allocating an external port. In other words, if your server's IP were 10.0.0.5, to connect to that IP from within the server you'd need to allocate a client port (say, 5029, to pick a random port) on that same IP address (so, 10.0.0.5:5029).
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:04
I think the problem likely happens when 10.0.0.5:443 (https) tries to send packets back to 10.0.0.5:5029, which causes those packets to be run through the firewall ruleset, and for some reason those response packets are being blocked because they're for neither a NEW connection (they're SYN-ACK packets), nor are they for an ESTABLISHEDj connection (it's a half-open connection). However, I know it isn't exactly that, because if it were HTTP should also be failing.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:06
Short version? Run a packet capture with the rule, another packet capture without the rule, and show us both captures. Or look at them yourself and see if you can figure it out.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:08
Incidentally, you don't need theNEW,ESTABLISHEDpart later on. You can just useNEWfor each of those, packets associated with anESTABLISHEDconnection would already have been accepted by that point.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:09
In a packet capture, what's the first packet you see with RELATED allowed which you don't see without the RELATED rule in there? My gut tells me this has something to do with the fact that, when you make a connection to the external-facing port, you are also allocating an external port. In other words, if your server's IP were 10.0.0.5, to connect to that IP from within the server you'd need to allocate a client port (say, 5029, to pick a random port) on that same IP address (so, 10.0.0.5:5029).
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:04
In a packet capture, what's the first packet you see with RELATED allowed which you don't see without the RELATED rule in there? My gut tells me this has something to do with the fact that, when you make a connection to the external-facing port, you are also allocating an external port. In other words, if your server's IP were 10.0.0.5, to connect to that IP from within the server you'd need to allocate a client port (say, 5029, to pick a random port) on that same IP address (so, 10.0.0.5:5029).
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:04
I think the problem likely happens when 10.0.0.5:443 (https) tries to send packets back to 10.0.0.5:5029, which causes those packets to be run through the firewall ruleset, and for some reason those response packets are being blocked because they're for neither a NEW connection (they're SYN-ACK packets), nor are they for an ESTABLISHEDj connection (it's a half-open connection). However, I know it isn't exactly that, because if it were HTTP should also be failing.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:06
I think the problem likely happens when 10.0.0.5:443 (https) tries to send packets back to 10.0.0.5:5029, which causes those packets to be run through the firewall ruleset, and for some reason those response packets are being blocked because they're for neither a NEW connection (they're SYN-ACK packets), nor are they for an ESTABLISHEDj connection (it's a half-open connection). However, I know it isn't exactly that, because if it were HTTP should also be failing.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:06
Short version? Run a packet capture with the rule, another packet capture without the rule, and show us both captures. Or look at them yourself and see if you can figure it out.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:08
Short version? Run a packet capture with the rule, another packet capture without the rule, and show us both captures. Or look at them yourself and see if you can figure it out.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:08
Incidentally, you don't need the
NEW,ESTABLISHED part later on. You can just use NEW for each of those, packets associated with an ESTABLISHED connection would already have been accepted by that point.– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:09
Incidentally, you don't need the
NEW,ESTABLISHED part later on. You can just use NEW for each of those, packets associated with an ESTABLISHED connection would already have been accepted by that point.– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:09
add a comment |
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RELATED is useful for that kind of protocols that need to open a new connection. It is often used, in combination with ip_conntrack_ftp for ftp connections, take a look here on how active ftp works.
answered Mar 9 '16 at 15:17
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Okay, but how is that relevant to TLS?
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RELATED is useful for that kind of protocols that need to open a new connection. It is often used, in combination with ip_conntrack_ftp for ftp connections, take a look here on how active ftp works.
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Okay, but how is that relevant to TLS?
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RELATED is useful for that kind of protocols that need to open a new connection. It is often used, in combination with ip_conntrack_ftp for ftp connections, take a look here on how active ftp works.
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Okay, but how is that relevant to TLS?
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RELATED is useful for that kind of protocols that need to open a new connection. It is often used, in combination with ip_conntrack_ftp for ftp connections, take a look here on how active ftp works.
answered Mar 9 '16 at 15:17
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RELATED is useful for that kind of protocols that need to open a new connection. It is often used, in combination with ip_conntrack_ftp for ftp connections, take a look here on how active ftp works.
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In a packet capture, what's the first packet you see with RELATED allowed which you don't see without the RELATED rule in there? My gut tells me this has something to do with the fact that, when you make a connection to the external-facing port, you are also allocating an external port. In other words, if your server's IP were 10.0.0.5, to connect to that IP from within the server you'd need to allocate a client port (say, 5029, to pick a random port) on that same IP address (so, 10.0.0.5:5029).
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:04
I think the problem likely happens when 10.0.0.5:443 (https) tries to send packets back to 10.0.0.5:5029, which causes those packets to be run through the firewall ruleset, and for some reason those response packets are being blocked because they're for neither a NEW connection (they're SYN-ACK packets), nor are they for an ESTABLISHEDj connection (it's a half-open connection). However, I know it isn't exactly that, because if it were HTTP should also be failing.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:06
Short version? Run a packet capture with the rule, another packet capture without the rule, and show us both captures. Or look at them yourself and see if you can figure it out.
– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:08
Incidentally, you don't need the
NEW,ESTABLISHEDpart later on. You can just useNEWfor each of those, packets associated with anESTABLISHEDconnection would already have been accepted by that point.– Parthian Shot
Mar 9 '16 at 16:09